<div dir="ltr">Great, good job!<div><br></div><div> It's fine to make the data publicly available under CC-BY.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks a million!</div><div><br></div><div>/J</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:14 PM Sebastien Besson (Staff) <<a href="mailto:s.besson@dundee.ac.uk">s.besson@dundee.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">



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<div>thanks for uploading a representative dataset. The issue was associated with</div>
<div>the parsing of invalid double values. It turns out this bug has been identified and</div>
<div>addressed in the development branch of Bio-Format 6 [1].</div>
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<div>We will add your sample dataset to your QA repository to ensure we encounter</div>
<div>no future regression. Please let us know if it would be possible to make this data</div>
<div>publicly available under a CC-BY license [2]. Otherwise we will keep it private.</div>
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<div>Best regards,</div>
<div>Sebastien</div>
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<div>[1] <a href="https://github.com/openmicroscopy/bioformats/pull/3253" target="_blank">https://github.com/openmicroscopy/bioformats/pull/3253</a></div>
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<div>[2] <a href="http://downloads.openmicroscopy.org/images/Micro-Manager/" target="_blank">http://downloads.openmicroscopy.org/images/Micro-Manager/</a> </div></div></div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><div>
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<div dir="ltr">Sure thing, i have uploaded a dataset from Mircro-Manager 1-4-23-20180923 (ID:27101)
<div>I also submitted the _metadata.txt import errorlog (ID: 27100)</div>
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<div>Keep up the good work!</div>
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<div>thanks for reporting the error. The stack trace looks very similar to what has been</div>
<div>reported on the <a href="http://image.sc/" target="_blank">
image.sc</a> forum [1] as well as the Micro-Manager mailing list [2].</div>
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<div>For Micro-Manager 2.0.0-beta3 datasets, currently unsupported by Bio-Formats, we</div>
<div>are aware that the metadata format has been through several breaking changes,</div>
<div>including the IJType field which is the cause of the Bio-Formats parsing failure below.</div>
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<div>For Micro-Manager 1.4.23 datasets, it might be this constitutes a variant of the</div>
<div>Micro-Manager 1.4 metadata format [3]. But we have no representative datasets</div>
<div>showing the issue so far. Would it be possible for you to upload sampled data at</div>
<div><a href="http://qa.openmicroscopy.org.uk/qa/upload/?" target="_blank">http://qa.openmicroscopy.org.uk/qa/upload/?</a></div>
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<div>[1] <a href="https://forum.image.sc/t/exception-thrown-when-importing-micro-manager-dataset-with-bioformats/11068" target="_blank">https://forum.image.sc/t/exception-thrown-when-importing-micro-manager-dataset-with-bioformats/11068</a></div>
<div>[2] <a href="http://micro-manager.3463995.n2.nabble.com/Exception-thrown-when-importing-Micro-Manager-2-0-dataset-with-Bioformats-td7589436.html" target="_blank">http://micro-manager.3463995.n2.nabble.com/Exception-thrown-when-importing-Micro-Manager-2-0-dataset-with-Bioformats-td7589436.html</a></div>
<div>[3] <a href="https://micro-manager.org/wiki/Files_and_Metadata" target="_blank">https://micro-manager.org/wiki/Files_and_Metadata</a> </div>
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 to the user. If I import ome-tif + metadata.txt files directly, I discovered that the metadata.txt files are not processed correctly by BioFormats. The following error is logged in the OMERO-insight64 importer:
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<div><font size="1" face="monospace">java.lang.NumberFormatException: For input string: ""</font></div>
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<div><font size="1" face="monospace"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>at java.lang.Integer.parseInt(Unknown Source)</font></div>
<div><font size="1" face="monospace"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>at java.lang.Integer.parseInt(Unknown Source)</font></div>
<div><font size="1" face="monospace"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>at loci.formats.in.MicromanagerReader.parsePosition(MicromanagerReader.java:765)</font></div>
<div><font size="1" face="monospace"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>at loci.formats.in.MicromanagerReader.parsePosition(MicromanagerReader.java:441)</font></div>
<div><font size="1" face="monospace"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>at loci.formats.in.MicromanagerReader.initFile(MicromanagerReader.java:305)</font></div>
<div><font size="1" face="monospace"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>at loci.formats.FormatReader.setId(FormatReader.java:1397)</font></div>
<div><font size="1" face="monospace"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>at loci.formats.ImageReader.setId(ImageReader.java:842)</font></div>
<div><font size="1" face="monospace"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>at loci.formats.ReaderWrapper.setId(ReaderWrapper.java:650)</font></div>
<div><font size="1" face="monospace"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>at loci.formats.ChannelFiller.setId(ChannelFiller.java:223)</font></div>
<div><font size="1" face="monospace"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>at loci.formats.ReaderWrapper.setId(ReaderWrapper.java:650)</font></div>
<div><font size="1" face="monospace"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>at loci.formats.ChannelSeparator.setId(ChannelSeparator.java:291)</font></div>
<div><font size="1" face="monospace"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>at loci.formats.ReaderWrapper.setId(ReaderWrapper.java:650)</font></div>
<div><font size="1" face="monospace"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>at loci.formats.Memoizer.setId(Memoizer.java:662)</font></div>
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<div><font size="1" face="monospace"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>at ome.formats.importer.ImportCandidates.singleFile(ImportCandidates.java:427)</font></div>
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<div><font size="1" face="monospace"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>at loci.formats.in.MicromanagerReader.parsePosition(MicromanagerReader.java:765)</font></div>
<div><font size="1" face="monospace"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>at loci.formats.in.MicromanagerReader.parsePosition(MicromanagerReader.java:441)</font></div>
<div><font size="1" face="monospace"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>at loci.formats.in.MicromanagerReader.initFile(MicromanagerReader.java:305)</font></div>
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<div>This error is given by both MM 1.4.23-nightly & MM 2.0-beta3-nightly metadata.txt files. ome-tifs from these import without errors.</div>
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<div>However, neither OMERO.viewer or OMERO.figure display correct time points on timelapse data we generate.</div>
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<div>We are running both MM 1.4.23-nightly and 2.0-beta-nightly to control our microscope, depending on user preference.</div>
<div>I occasionally upgrade the nightlies, but the problems I describe are common for all versions tested.</div>
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<div>As a facility manager it would be very helpful for me and my users to have easy access to this data through OMERO.</div>
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<div>As you mentioned Micro-Manager captures extensive metadata which is stored within a TIFF tag.</div>
<div>This metadata can optionally be saved as a separate text file. Additionally, a subset is also</div>
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<div>To maximise the acquisition metadata, our current recommendation is to create companion files</div>
<div>at acquisition containing the MM metadata and use this file when importing the data into OMERO.</div>
<div>This should result in the data being available as Original Metadata in the right-hand panel - see</div>
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<div>If not, I can try to implement one. I have spent some time reading through tif-tags and MM metadata for other projects, but there is no need to reinvent the wheel if there is something out there.</div>
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<div>It has always annoyed me that MM ome-tiff files won't display a correct frame interval when drag&dropped into ImageJ/FIJI.</div>
<div>On the other hand, if images are instead opened through the Bio-Formats Importer, then they loose their LUTs (but gain the lost frame intervals).</div>
<div>The lost LUTs is also a (minor) issue when importing MM data to OMERO.server.</div>
<div>I suspect that this is because ImageJ has its own TIF-tag that stores imageJ-metadata, and that there is some inconsistencies in how MM writes the tif tags here.</div>
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