<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Chris,<div><br></div><div> I'll let others handle the more tricky questions, but I can help with some points:</div><div><br></div><div>The "Big Image" cutoff is currently a plane size of 3000 x 3000 pixels (or equivalent total number of pixels). This is the cut-off for clients, when deciding whether to use a Big Image (Google-Maps) viewer. </div><div>However, the import process that is used for "Big Image" file formats is always used for those formats, regardless of size. </div><div>These formats include tiff, png, svs etc. But not ome-tiff. </div><div>We use this strategy for various "Big Image" formats (svs etc) as well as other "graphics" formats (png etc) to avoid the increase in file size when these compressed formats are expanded to raw pixel data. Instead we create a Pyramid of jpeg-2000 compressed data. </div><div><br></div><div>I assume the delay when Insight first accesses the thumbnails is due to the creation of thumbnails, which is quite expensive from pyramids. </div><div><br></div><div>Hope this helps,</div><div><br></div><div> Will. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 7 Jul 2011, at 21:32, Wood, Christopher wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Hi (again),<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Our omero server (4.3) is experiencing some odd behavior that seems to be related to big images and importing/rendering them.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Some large tif images, around 2560x2160x100z, where imported into a dataset – the pyramid/big image strategy is used. It takes a while to calculate the pyramids, but finishes and it seems fine.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">When trying to view these afterword (a day later), if the dataset is clicked in Insight (on a client computer) and insight tries to show the thumbnails, the cpu on the server goes to 100% and the logs show lines like:<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">2011-07-07 11:14:17,675 INFO [ org.perf4j.TimingLogger] (l.Server-1) start[1310055257626] time[49] tag[omero.loadPixelsByImage]<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">2011-07-07 11:14:17,721 INFO [ org.perf4j.TimingLogger] (l.Server-1) start[1310055257675] time[46] tag[omero.loadRenderingSettingsByUser]<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">2011-07-07 11:14:17,744 INFO [ ome.io.nio.FilePathResolver] (l.Server-1) Metadata only file, resulting path: /OMERO/Files/Dir-003/3311<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">2011-07-07 11:14:17,744 INFO [ ome.io.nio.PixelsService] (l.Server-1) Using Pyramid BfPixelBuffer: /OMERO/Pixels/Dir-001/1788_pyramid<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">2011-07-07 11:14:17,802 INFO [ loci.formats.in.MinimalTiffReader] (l.Server-1) Reading IFDs<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">2011-07-07 11:14:18,899 INFO [ loci.formats.in.MinimalTiffReader] (l.Server-1) Populating metadata<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">2011-07-07 11:15:00,019 INFO [ ome.services.blitz.fire.SessionManagerI] (3-thread-4) Performing requestHeartbeats<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">2011-07-07 11:18:00,016 INFO [ ome.services.blitz.fire.SessionManagerI] (3-thread-1) Performing requestHeartbeats<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">(see attached log for more)<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">The dataset contains 12 images, 6 of those are big images. The logs show this happens for each large image and it is a very long process. After this process if insight is closed and reopened, the thumbnails display fine. Is this the expected behavior? If insight would give some feedback, about what was going on in the background that would be good. Does this processing need to performed for each user that looks at the images?<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Insight does not display these images in the “Google Maps” way; it is not tiled and the overview is not shown in the corner. I have importer larger (xy) files that do use the “Google Maps” way.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I saved the original tif file as an ome-tiff using ImageJ/Bio-Formats and imported it. The regular import strategy was used for the ome-tiff. Why the difference with the same size of file?<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I can upload the images (> 1GB) if that would be helpful.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Thanks<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Chris<o:p></o:p></div><span><B.log></span></div>_______________________________________________<br>ome-users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:ome-users@lists.openmicroscopy.org.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ome-users@lists.openmicroscopy.org.uk</a><br><a href="http://lists.openmicroscopy.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/ome-users" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.openmicroscopy.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/ome-users</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>William Moore</div><div><div>Wellcome Trust Centre for Gene Regulation & Expression</div><div>College of Life Sciences</div><div>MSI/WTB/JBC Complex</div><div>University of Dundee</div><div>Dow Street</div><div>Dundee DD1 5EH</div><div>United Kingdom</div><div><br></div><div>Phone 01382 386364</div></div><div><a href="http://openmicroscopy.org">http://openmicroscopy.org</a></div></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></div></body></html>