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Dear Jerome and Mario-<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Thanks for your emails. It's good to have these discussions. A few points:</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>-- We've tried to address the issue of why two servers on our web site-- see:</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><a href="http://www.openmicroscopy.org/downloads/why2servers.html">http://www.openmicroscopy.org/downloads/why2servers.html</a></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica">and</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><a href="http://www.openmicroscopy.org/downloads/what-they-do.html">http://www.openmicroscopy.org/downloads/what-they-do.html</a></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Note that these are a bit out of date, and will be updated soon, but the basic principles remain.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-- To see what OMERO can do, we've produced a series of screencast demos-- see the movies at:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><a href="http://www.openmicroscopy.org/downloads/what-they-do.html">http://www.openmicroscopy.org/downloads/what-they-do.html</a></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-- Can the OMERO Beta series be used for production? We use OMERO in my lab, the instances we have hold between 0.5 and 1 TB and so far, up to ~2.5 million image planes. The reason it is called Beta is that we don't want to release software as "final" until we have tested it thoroughly. Becasue the software is used for data, we want to be extra careful. In any case, it's your data, so we STRONGLY recommend you back it up-- we've all had software crash.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-- OMERO does not yet support Matlab, but we are currently working on that now. Put "matlab" into the search window at our project management system (<a href="http://trac.openmicroscopy.org.uk/omero">http://trac.openmicroscopy.org.uk/omero</a>) and follow the info for ticket 846. Like your labs, we use Matlab alot, and need to support this.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-- What's wrong with the OME Server? Nothing-- it's not perfect, as you can imagine. Many people felt it was difficult to use (but many also liked it), but for a variety of reasons, we decided to build an alternative server system to address requests for an "OME Lite". In the end (hopefully by the end of this year), OMERO will have most of the functionality of OME. A major goal for OMERO, now achieved, was flexibility in choice of DB, server operating system, and client architecture.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-- Will OMERO replace OME? We won't decide that-- users will. </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-- Will data transfer from one to the other? Yes. We have already done that with a prototype application, and once we finish making a few more changes to the OMERO back end.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Have a look at the various on-line resources. if you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to ask.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Thanks again for your support.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Cheers,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Jason</div></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></font></div><div><div>On 18 Jan 2008, at 09:24, Jerome Avondo wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="text-align: left;">hi,<br><br>Thank you for the info. <br><br>I managed to get the OMERO server setup and had a play with the clients. Looks very nice, but it seems to be missing alot of the functionality of OME.<br><br>So it seems OME is the only real way forward to address the needs of the Lab I am in. We use Matlab quite extensively for our image analysis, so Matlab integration is a requirement.<br><br>I am still not clear to why the Open Microscopy Group has these two projects. So have the following questions I think I should try and understand before I make a decision.<br><br>1) Is OMERO planned to one day substitute OME?<br><br>2) If (1) is true will moving from OME to OMERO be feasable?<br><br>3) If (1) is true again, whats wrong with OME?<br><br>I had a good look around the website but couldnt really find any information regarding this. If anybody could shed some ligth I would greatly appreciate. Maybe I just misunderstood something....<br><br>Regards,<br><br>j.<br></div><br>--------------------------------------<br> <a href="http://www.avondo.com" target="_blank">www.avondo.com</a><br><br><hr id="stopSpelling">> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:02:07 +0100<br>> From: <a href="mailto:mvalle@cscs.ch">mvalle@cscs.ch</a><br>> To: <a href="mailto:jeromeavondo@msn.com">jeromeavondo@msn.com</a><br>> CC: <a href="mailto:ome-users@lists.openmicroscopy.org.uk">ome-users@lists.openmicroscopy.org.uk</a><br>> Subject: Re: [ome-users] Simple Question, OME or OMERO?<br>> <br>> If I understand correctly,<br>> you still need OME if you need Matlab integration.<br>> Also from what I see from the documentation, OMERO setup is more complex.<br>> Well, right now I'm still fighting with OME to make it work for my researchers.<br>> Hope it helps...<br>> mario<br>> <br>> Jerome Avondo wrote:<br>> > <br>> > Hello,<br>> > <br>> > I am looking at database solutions for microscopy images. The lab I work<br>> > in generates substantial quantities of 3D, 4D datasets with various<br>> > imaging methods.<br>> > <br>> > As I understand currently the Open Microscopy Environment group has two<br>> > solutions on offer;<br>> > <br>> > 1) the older OME system<br>> > 2) or the newer beta OMERO system<br>> > <br>> > It is not clear from your site which is the solution new adopters should<br>> > jump aboard. Is the OMERO beta at a stage that this can be used in the<br>> > real world, or would you recomend sticking with the older non-beta OME<br>> > solution. What are the PROS/CONS of each solution you offer?<br>> > <br>> > If you could point me in the right direction to make this decision I<br>> > would be very greatful.<br>> > <br>> > many thanks & kind regards,<br>> > <br>> > jerome.<br>> > <<a href="http://www.avondo.com">http://www.avondo.com</a>><br>> > <br>> > <br>> > Sounds like? How many syllables? Guess and win prizes with Search<br>> > Charades! <<a href="http://www.searchcharades.com">http://www.searchcharades.com</a>><br>> > <br>> > <br>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> > <br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > ome-users mailing list<br>> > <a href="mailto:ome-users@lists.openmicroscopy.org.uk">ome-users@lists.openmicroscopy.org.uk</a><br>> > <a href="http://lists.openmicroscopy.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/ome-users">http://lists.openmicroscopy.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/ome-users</a><br>> <br>> -- <br>> Ing. Mario Valle<br>> Visualization Group | <a href="http://www.cscs.ch/~mvalle">http://www.cscs.ch/~mvalle</a><br>> Swiss National Supercomputing Centre (CSCS) | Tel: +41 (91) 610.82.60<br>> v. Cantonale Galleria 2, 6928 Manno, Switzerland | Fax: +41 (91) 610.82.82<br><br><hr>Sounds like? 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